One of the things that Alan Hirsch described in his session is our concept of what Church is. One of the common factor in most church movements is that their methods are able to be reproduced and are reproducing and most of what we see in America cannot be produced by every member of our congregations, therefore we encourage passivity in our congregations when each of them contains within themselves the potential to start a church. As a part of his point he said that the church in Asia has adopted the motto, every person and church planter and every church and church planting church. How does this reconcile with the concept that many of us believe you need a definite call to plant a church. Otherwise you could be a hinderance to what God is doing in that area. I would be interested to know where you fall on this issue and whether or not those two ideas can be reconciled.
Peace,
mac
Thursday, November 29, 2007
2007 Church Planting Leadership Summit
What a great opening day so far. I am taking a break from the festivities to keep everyone up to date bout what has happened so far. No pictures so far, but hopefully that will change. I will try to give the gist of what was said, but I encourage you to take some time and talk to those of us who made it here and find out what their impressions were. I will let you know who is here to represent Minnesota later.
First Session
Alan Hirsch
Most people believe in God
Most would believe Jesus is one of the greatest people who ever lived
Most people would be opened to spirituality
But most people don’t like the church
In Australia the look and feel of the churches that are growing (CCGM) is the standard centered stage with fanned seating
- it is carrying the burden of mission
The problem is the people who enjoy that type of atmosphere consists of only 12-15% of the population.
The problem is the most you will ever reach is 40% of the population. When this becomes the only solution to the problem of lack of churches we will never reach any more than 40%. And the rest will never go.
Ed Stetzer
Acts 16:
Go over to Macedonia-Understand that we have an obligation to leave the culture that we are at (home) and plant a church in another culture (where are we sent)
Help-Evangelize them. This is the point of planting a church. It isn’t to gather in all the Christians in the community, it is to go out and gather in the lost. The “how” of your church plant is dependent on the people who need the help in your community.
When you are bringing the gospel to Atlanta with the same “help” or form as you did in Seattle you will be bringing the wrong “help” because it is specific to it’s people. It is the same gospel delivered in a way the is specific to the people you are reaching.
Steve Johnson
The lost are important, of course, but other than that you must focus on the family of the church planter, they are essential to the success of a church plant. And more specifically it is the children of the church planter.
Vision 360
Breakout Session
Alan Hirsch
When decline happens incrementally but grows exponentially. So it will sneak up on you fast but you won’t realize it until it is too late.
The church that we have had in the past will not be able to bring us into the future. And if we keep doing the same thing we will never be able to get out of the hole that we are in.
The idea of church has remained the same since constantine. As the AOG we must remember that we started out as a marginalized African Americans in LA. We must remain (or become) a people movement rather than an organizational movement.
It is Christology that will be the center of the renewal of the church. The person of Christ must be the defining center of the future of the church, not the Holy Spirit, the pastors, theologians etc.
X(Christ)=mission of the church=ecclesiology of the church
The church must always express itself within the context of the culture that they are in.
The subversion of Christianity
X+Y(Christianity) = religion
We must genuinely radicalize in order to missionalize
Recovery of Discipleship as our Core Task
In every world-changing movement discipleship is an obsession
Embodiment and transmission
Movements can grow only in proportion to their capacity to make disciples
Leadership is an extension of discipleship
Consumerism is killing us (from within)
Recover an Incarnational-Missional Impulse
Missional God
- David Bosch
In the past missiology has been an outcome of ecclesiology
David took it out from under the job of the church and placed it directly under the concept of who God is.
It isn’t so much that the church has a mission but that the mission has a church to carry itself out.
Incarnational God
- an infinite God came down and walked with us for 30 years and no one noticed
- If God is missional and incarnational he sends people out to live among us.
Our activities in the world must be incarnational (what is the good news to these people)
In 3-5 years after someone has become a Christian they will have no association with anyone from the environment they came from.
We need to recovery the ethos and methodology of the Apostolic Church
What we need are missionally responsive, culturally adaptive, organizationally agile, multiplication movements.
Movements
- mobilize the whole people of God
- Are reproducing and reproducing
Every believer a church planter and every church a church planting church
- What are the implications of starting a movement, doing church in a way that can reproduced by each member of the congregations.
These are the notes that I took they are a little rough and will expound on them later on but there you have it.
We also heard from Mark Batterson, Herbert Cooper and Nelson Searcy. Nelson's topics can be found online at Churchleaderinsights.com and I have logged the information on Herbert and Mark in the past.
That is it for now, and I will have more stuff in the near future.
Peace,
Mac
First Session
Alan Hirsch
Most people believe in God
Most would believe Jesus is one of the greatest people who ever lived
Most people would be opened to spirituality
But most people don’t like the church
In Australia the look and feel of the churches that are growing (CCGM) is the standard centered stage with fanned seating
- it is carrying the burden of mission
The problem is the people who enjoy that type of atmosphere consists of only 12-15% of the population.
The problem is the most you will ever reach is 40% of the population. When this becomes the only solution to the problem of lack of churches we will never reach any more than 40%. And the rest will never go.
Ed Stetzer
Acts 16:
Go over to Macedonia-Understand that we have an obligation to leave the culture that we are at (home) and plant a church in another culture (where are we sent)
Help-Evangelize them. This is the point of planting a church. It isn’t to gather in all the Christians in the community, it is to go out and gather in the lost. The “how” of your church plant is dependent on the people who need the help in your community.
When you are bringing the gospel to Atlanta with the same “help” or form as you did in Seattle you will be bringing the wrong “help” because it is specific to it’s people. It is the same gospel delivered in a way the is specific to the people you are reaching.
Steve Johnson
The lost are important, of course, but other than that you must focus on the family of the church planter, they are essential to the success of a church plant. And more specifically it is the children of the church planter.
Vision 360
Breakout Session
Alan Hirsch
When decline happens incrementally but grows exponentially. So it will sneak up on you fast but you won’t realize it until it is too late.
The church that we have had in the past will not be able to bring us into the future. And if we keep doing the same thing we will never be able to get out of the hole that we are in.
The idea of church has remained the same since constantine. As the AOG we must remember that we started out as a marginalized African Americans in LA. We must remain (or become) a people movement rather than an organizational movement.
It is Christology that will be the center of the renewal of the church. The person of Christ must be the defining center of the future of the church, not the Holy Spirit, the pastors, theologians etc.
X(Christ)=mission of the church=ecclesiology of the church
The church must always express itself within the context of the culture that they are in.
The subversion of Christianity
X+Y(Christianity) = religion
We must genuinely radicalize in order to missionalize
Recovery of Discipleship as our Core Task
In every world-changing movement discipleship is an obsession
Embodiment and transmission
Movements can grow only in proportion to their capacity to make disciples
Leadership is an extension of discipleship
Consumerism is killing us (from within)
Recover an Incarnational-Missional Impulse
Missional God
- David Bosch
In the past missiology has been an outcome of ecclesiology
David took it out from under the job of the church and placed it directly under the concept of who God is.
It isn’t so much that the church has a mission but that the mission has a church to carry itself out.
Incarnational God
- an infinite God came down and walked with us for 30 years and no one noticed
- If God is missional and incarnational he sends people out to live among us.
Our activities in the world must be incarnational (what is the good news to these people)
In 3-5 years after someone has become a Christian they will have no association with anyone from the environment they came from.
We need to recovery the ethos and methodology of the Apostolic Church
What we need are missionally responsive, culturally adaptive, organizationally agile, multiplication movements.
Movements
- mobilize the whole people of God
- Are reproducing and reproducing
Every believer a church planter and every church a church planting church
- What are the implications of starting a movement, doing church in a way that can reproduced by each member of the congregations.
These are the notes that I took they are a little rough and will expound on them later on but there you have it.
We also heard from Mark Batterson, Herbert Cooper and Nelson Searcy. Nelson's topics can be found online at Churchleaderinsights.com and I have logged the information on Herbert and Mark in the past.
That is it for now, and I will have more stuff in the near future.
Peace,
Mac
Friday, November 02, 2007
Update on Destiny Outreach Church
We've received an update on the new church in Hawley. It looks as if they have found a place that will work well for them. Here is the note that Blair sent to us the other day.
After a short board meeting today, and after a month discussion with our team we came to the agreement to lease
a facility at 219 6th Street in Hawley. This facility has 535 square feet and is in a building downtown Hawley.
This same building will house Jimmy's pizza that will open December 15th 2007. There will be plenty of traffic from the Community in this location and our church will be in the marketplace. Jodi and I owned a commercial espresso cart that we will be installing in our new church building. Early in the year we purchased a commercial grinder and espresso machine. From our espresso cart we can make almost any drink that you can get at Starbucks. Our church will seat up to 52 people, a small stage, video projector, screen, surround sound system, and full service espresso cart.
Or espresso relational church is becoming a reality. Our church will be signing a lease in a couple of days for 6 months. We will have the only place to get espresso drinks in Hawley. We plan on decorating the church to be really cool and welcoming...I have been collecting espresso equipment for quite some time waiting for God's times fulfill the vision! Now is the time!
More big news, God spoke to us a month ago to start Sunday Morning services. Starting November 4th 2007 we will discontinue our Sunday night services and start having Sunday services at 10:00 AM I am so happy no more setting up and tearing down the church. We will meet this Sunday November 4th (my birthday) at 10:00 Am in our new church building. Look for our Destiny Outreach maroon and gold sign at 219 6th Street Downtown Hawley . We should have the coffee house done in about 6 weeks.
Let's keep them in prayer as they continue on their journey. And if any of you have any ideas, they are in need of some worship teams. Right now they are using 4 different guest teams.
Peace
Mac
After a short board meeting today, and after a month discussion with our team we came to the agreement to lease
a facility at 219 6th Street in Hawley. This facility has 535 square feet and is in a building downtown Hawley.
This same building will house Jimmy's pizza that will open December 15th 2007. There will be plenty of traffic from the Community in this location and our church will be in the marketplace. Jodi and I owned a commercial espresso cart that we will be installing in our new church building. Early in the year we purchased a commercial grinder and espresso machine. From our espresso cart we can make almost any drink that you can get at Starbucks. Our church will seat up to 52 people, a small stage, video projector, screen, surround sound system, and full service espresso cart.
Or espresso relational church is becoming a reality. Our church will be signing a lease in a couple of days for 6 months. We will have the only place to get espresso drinks in Hawley. We plan on decorating the church to be really cool and welcoming...I have been collecting espresso equipment for quite some time waiting for God's times fulfill the vision! Now is the time!
More big news, God spoke to us a month ago to start Sunday Morning services. Starting November 4th 2007 we will discontinue our Sunday night services and start having Sunday services at 10:00 AM I am so happy no more setting up and tearing down the church. We will meet this Sunday November 4th (my birthday) at 10:00 Am in our new church building. Look for our Destiny Outreach maroon and gold sign at 219 6th Street Downtown Hawley . We should have the coffee house done in about 6 weeks.
Let's keep them in prayer as they continue on their journey. And if any of you have any ideas, they are in need of some worship teams. Right now they are using 4 different guest teams.
Peace
Mac
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